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sui generis
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 03, 2004 10:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Might also be helpful to get the 10 most prolific sites in minnesota with the number of posts recorded to each. Can anyone figure out the best way to look this up?
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Marsha and Silent Bob
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 03, 2004 10:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

sui generis wrote:
Might also be helpful to get the 10 most prolific sites in minnesota with the number of posts recorded to each. Can anyone figure out the best way to look this up?

I can see rickrich heading for the nearest phone booth now.
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Early Starts
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 03, 2004 3:54 pm    Post subject: Found a study. Reply with quote

I found a study that says after trampling an area with 25 or 150 passes of a person one right after another, there is no difference in ground cover when compared to a control area after 1 year.

Shoot me your e-mail and I will send you the pdf of it.
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Centris
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 03, 2004 4:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Actually the new policy surprises me a lot. Champlin had been VERY cooperative about geocaching up to this point. City council was aware of the activity because it was brought up back in April 2003. I was working on a policy with them at one time, but they were either not interested or not concerned.

I ended up becoming friends for awhile with a city council member I met at Galloway park. In fact, my cache "Maggie and Sadie's Dog cache" is named after her two dogs and she goes by the geo-handle "maggiesadie".
(she is very nice -- no harassing her!!) In fact, I think she still walks her dog at Galloway every day. Guess I will go look for her while I am retrieving my cache from the park, eh?

Moe -- is Julia still on your city council??? Wonder why she didn't email me that this was happening. Confused We lost track of each other.

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Is anyone actually willing to work on something like this? Is anyone actually willing to work on anything?

It's like hitting your head against a wall..... over and over and over and.....
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 03, 2004 5:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Centris wrote:
Moe -- is Julia still on your city council???


Yup.
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Centris
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 03, 2004 5:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I just emailed her (nicely)
Is the guy in charge of parks named Andy Singleton?? If so, he is next in line.

How many caches are in Champlin?? How many will HAVE to be removed?
I looked over the map a bit, but I am unsure which are which.

I think Champlin has like 25 or so parks available and the two of the parks listed as approved are just unsuitable for caching (except of course teeny, tiny, evil caches Wink ) And they get maybe 2 or 3 finders a month...... maybe.

Shall we gather mountains of stats and papers and go to a City Council meeting?????
There is a City Council meeting on September 13th at 7pm in the City Council room. And another one on the 27th.
Do you have to be a city resident to speak at one of these???
Looks like there is a Parks and Rec commision meeting on September 7th at 7pm in the City Council room -- is public invited to that?

Lets go talk to the city and then have "Get Sauced" event immediately afterward Cool
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 03, 2004 6:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Centris wrote:
Lets go talk to the city and then have "Get Sauced" event immediately afterward Cool

Let's have the event first... I'll be ready to talk Wink
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 03, 2004 8:09 pm    Post subject: More Help Reply with quote

sui generis,

I would be happy to help out with your draft of a model regulation / suggestions for park managers. I found about five scholarly articles through the U of M Lumina system today about the impact of walking through woods or meadows. Still trying to figure out what they say but it looks like there is little impact in our type of forests with less than a couple hundred visitors.

Along with the average number of visitors to the top dozen caches, I would like to be able to mention the average number of visitors overall to all caches (in MN or Twin Cities area) as well if someone is able to pull that info.

Edit: added (in MN or Twin Cities area)
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 03, 2004 9:30 pm    Post subject: MN CACHES WITH THE MOST LOGS Reply with quote

Code:
ID        LOGS  MONTHS  LOGS/MONTH      NAME
GCED59     251   17.60    14.261        Moving 123 by R.J.
GC7B09     239   17.27    13.842        Mall of America Cache II by Bobhiker
GC26BE     227   34.50     6.580        Enger Tower by IBcrashen
GCBD40     168   20.40     8.235        Pill Hill by Farmerted
GC1921     142   36.97     3.841        K-9 Kache by MNMartian and TraciBug
GC5EAB     131   27.63     4.741        Joint on the Point by Mister E
GC9EE5     129   22.83     5.650        Veterans Park by Bobhiker
GC6CD      127   41.33     3.073        Virtual Heart of Minneapolis by adaaric
GC1317     126   37.80     3.333        FORE! Cache for City Slickers (new hide) by MNGeocacherette (adopted by King Boreas)
GCC872     125   19.80     6.313        Quarry Hill by tricolor
GC4C38     115   29.17     3.943        Gnome-Home by ChrisXX (adopted by King Boreas)
GC28A4     114   34.10     3.343        Hudson Heritage Cache by Geo Beaver
GC360F     113   31.73     3.561        Burnsville-Utz by Buck by Crispus Mo Dee
GCF7F      111   38.50     2.883        Triple "C" by Team G35
GC5B52     107   27.87     3.840        Buchanan by IBcrashen
GC58DF     107   28.07     3.812        Roseville Central Park Nature Center by robert_lars2
GC3F1C     107   30.57     3.501        Down by the Old Mill Stream by orbit
GC35AF     107   31.73     3.372        Sand Prairie by cloudwalkers
GC2020     105   35.70     2.941        Potter's Potion by JCBoys
GC2679     104   34.53     3.012        Lone Lake by Duffy
GC3995     103   31.20     3.301        The Dog -Wood Mystery by Humm-Billy!
GC1635     103   37.33     2.759        Mr. Little Guy's House by WatrWalker
GC60E3     101   27.43     3.682        AREA 52 (the conspiracy cache) by Special Agent N, Field Agents S and J
GC344D     101   31.93     3.163        Hidden Falls Regional Park by King Boreas
GCFF09     100   16.73     5.976        Reservoir Woods by Saint Pauli Girl and s4xton

Total Number of caches:              1613
Average Age of All Caches:           12.2729 months
Average #Logs per Cache:             27.535
Average #Logs/Month for all Caches:  2.24356


[Edit: improved stats display]


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PostPosted: Fri Sep 03, 2004 10:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Crazy. You get all the way to 24 before you get to a Boreas cache in your list, Bob. (No, I didn't count he adopted one)
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 04, 2004 5:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The seven caches currently active in Champlin Parks have all averaged 2-3 finds per month since they were hidden.

Champlin Peak - 3.3
White Rabbit - 2.5
A Little Moe Cache - 3.2
Creekside Solitude - 3.2
Teeny Tiny Fun - 2.9
Maggie and Sadie’s Dog Cache - 2.2
Donie Galloway Riverside Park - 2.2
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 04, 2004 7:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Somebody needs to get this information to the parks department first so they understand there is not a problem in their community.
I'll keep trying to get a dialog with my contact.

Let's still have a "Get Sauced" in Champlin..... we'll call it a planning meeting or something Wink
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 04, 2004 7:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Centris wrote:
Let's still have a "Get Sauced" in Champlin..... we'll call it a planning meeting or something Wink

There are royalty fees that need to be paid to use the name.

You can mail the $1000 check to Silent Bob c/o Marsha Inc. Smile
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 04, 2004 8:45 am    Post subject: MN CACHES VISITED WITH GREATEST FREQUENCY Reply with quote

Here are the MN caches that are hardest on life-forms. Now KB has one in the top 3, but I bet most of you can't remember visiting it.
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ID        LOGS  MONTHS  LOGS/MONTH      NAME
GCJQ2R      27    0.67    40.500        An easy game by green bean
GCJYF2      75    1.87    40.179        Southern Minnesota Get Together August 14, 2004 by TwentySeven
GCJH25      47    2.23    21.045        The Get Sauced Event © IV -- Gutter Ball Style by King Boreas
GCK5BX      17    1.13    15.000        Wacootah Cache by Ripplingh2o
GCED59     251   17.60    14.261        Moving 123 by R.J.
GC7B09     239   17.27    13.842        Mall of America Cache II by Bobhiker
GCJCBF      54    4.10    13.171        Blue Light Bug Hotel by michelleandtheboys
GCJK40      42    3.23    12.990        Stiff Whizzle by skybluepink
GCK9BT       9    0.70    12.857        240 Acres by Minnesota and Geo-wife
GCJVPH      29    2.27    12.794        Lake Nokomis Willow by jjjeffr and Candy Apple Green
GCK28A      17    1.50    11.333        Take Me To Your Cache (Eagle Lake) by Buzzygirl
GCJ2BF      59    5.27    11.203        Thompson Hill TB Hotel by Pear Head
GCJ7W4      52    4.67    11.143        Kitchi Gammi by Pear Head
GCJ6V0      52    4.77    10.909        King Mill by TwentySeven
GCJVE7      25    2.30    10.870        Cascade Gardens (micro) by SnowLeopard & Loyal Sherpa
GCK520      13    1.20    10.833        Cooler Crew Chicks: Scribe by King Boreas
GCK7TE       9    0.83    10.800        OWN3D by I blame Kitch
GCJE8V      40    3.73    10.714        Down the Rabbit-Hole (micro) by SnowLeopard & Loyal Sherpa
GCK524      11    1.07    10.312        Chatham Morning School by King Boreas
GCJ1V1      55    5.33    10.312        Great Hinckley Fire by ronirae
GCJK5A      33    3.23    10.206        Gigglebee by skybluepink
GCK0P6      17    1.67    10.200        Jewel at the Nile by Pog Man & the Quad Squad
GCHFH5      81    8.03    10.083        Bug Stop at Nine Mile Creek by Sandtracker
GCHAKR      92    9.17    10.036        West Metro TB Inn  by KC0QEG
GCKADF       6    0.60    10.000        South Burnsville Auto Tour by Minnesota and Geo-wife
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 04, 2004 10:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Marsha and Silent Bob wrote:
You can mail the $1000 check to Silent Bob c/o Marsha Inc. Smile

yeah...... I'll get right on that Razz
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