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Twin Cities caches are my inspiration

 
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drat19
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 06, 2004 8:44 pm    Post subject: Twin Cities caches are my inspiration Reply with quote

Hello there my Twin Cities caching friends...
Your old pal and (self-appointed! Wink ) favorite guest cacher "drat19" here again, to share with you a document I published on my web site that many of YOU were a part of...in a GOOD way. Maybe y'all might also find it helpful, I dunno...

http://www.ratisher.com/geocache_note.htm

-Dave R.
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15Tango
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 07, 2004 4:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think it's a great article--I prefer caches for the sake of getting to go discover an area I might not know about if it wasn't for geocaching, instead of your typical "park and find". Case in point--there was a "lamp-post" cache at Apache Plaza, a place of local interest in that it was the first enclosed mall in the area, and I felt it was worthwhile to go visit--I found a similar "lamp-post" cache in a KaMe apART parking lot that didn't thrill me at all, especially since on the other side of the store, there was a great arboretum just begging for a cache to be hidden in it. Anyhow, I'm glad one of the leading travelling cache hunters likes our caches--we enjoy placing them, and I'm sure we're jaded with getting good quality caches to seek out (compared to other cache dense areas in the world).
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drat19
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 07, 2004 2:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, EVERY area has good caches to offer, even those I've cited as being overpopulated with less-than-good ones. And that's the point: It's one thing to have ONE OR TWO so-called "lame" lamppost or tree hollow roadside hides (while most others are "good ones"), but it's another to BLANKET an area with 50 or 100 or more "lame" ones like they've allowed to happen in those areas. I think caching "leaders" in every area should work with new and veteran hiders to pay attention to "keeping the quality high"...like y'all do there in the Twin Cities. IT MATTERS.

-Dave R.
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Marsha and Silent Bob
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 07, 2004 2:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

drat19 wrote:
pay attention to "keeping the quality high"...like y'all do there in the Twin Cities. IT MATTERS.

Nah, it only matters to a handful of people it seems. Good caches (ie Arcticabn's 13F) don't get hit often. It's sad to say it but it seems like everyone would rather run out and grab a lame regular in a geobeacon than spending the time for a really good cache.
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Kitch
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 07, 2004 2:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The "its not about the numbers" is big fat LIE!!!!
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Marsha and Silent Bob
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 07, 2004 2:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kitch wrote:
The "its not about the numbers" is big fat LIE!!!!

While that might be true I wasn't even saying that... People don't want to spend the time on ONE cache when they could go out and spend 5 minutes from car to cache to car.

Half the time they don't even know what they are missing... To me a 5 minute park 'n grab isn't much fun but to each their own.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 07, 2004 2:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Although speaking for some, it's hard to come up with a good/original idea. And a lot of the truely scenic areas already have been taken. That's not saying there are places that haven't been touched, but as more people get out there, there's less undiscovered places.

I've only done 2 hides, so forgive me if they're too easy or boring or lame or whatever, I'm still just a newbie. I guess as the old saying goes "You can only please some of the people, some of the time", same holds true in geocaching.

I like variety, and nothing seems better than a tupperware in the woods find after 3 or 4 micro DNFs in a row. At least I get a small sense of accomplishment, verses going home to log "I must be dumb, I can't find this one" a few times over.
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Marsha and Silent Bob
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 07, 2004 2:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

KC0GRN wrote:
I like variety, and nothing seems better than a tupperware in the woods find after 3 or 4 micro DNFs in a row. At least I get a small sense of accomplishment, verses going home to log "I must be dumb, I can't find this one" a few times over.

Compared to the ideas behind 13F (again a single example) a tupperware container in the woods or a micro anywhere is lightyears behind. I like a challenge. The places you are brought to don't necessarily have to be spectacular but that is a plus. The cache itself doesn't have to be micro, regular, jumbo, whatever. The reason for the cache should be something good though.

Telling me that this is yet another micro in a small community park bores me to death. In fact you basically just wasted a 523 foot radius that someone else could have put something great in.

But you're right, you can't please everyone and I myself fall into the same grouping as what I just described.
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Kitch
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 07, 2004 2:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

BUT on the flip side...caches like 13F are above the heads of some people on finding them.
I admit it ...i'm a little to stupid to put the pieces of puzzles togethor.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 07, 2004 3:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I enjoy a challenge as well, and having caches that challenge people is great.

And yes, some good spots do get wasted on someone else's hide, I see great spots all the time only to find out there's a cache 50 or so feet away, not just talking about trees or anything either. Hopefully every cache has some meaning to it, I'd like to think they all do. I've run across a few simple finds in a small park that would possibly fit the "boring" category, but it brought me to a park I would have otherwise never visited, and to me that counts for something.

Eh, getting bogged down in symantics again, I'll just go about my caching and hope I don't step on any toes Smile
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drat19
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 07, 2004 3:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, my opinion is that at least in the parts of the Twin Cities that I cached while there (west 'burbs), even the so-called simple ones were good. Y'all know I like to "crank numbers", and yet so many of the 1-to-2-star rated caches that I targeted were in wonderful parks and other locations, even if the caches themselves were "nothing special". Y'all took me to so many parts of the area that I NEVER would have visited if I'd just been a typical business traveler sticking to the shopping strip malls and stuff. I LOVE talking about that with people...and I know that my local friends and colleagues find it interesting that I know so much more about their town than the average visitor (and often more than the locals too!).

And that's my point. The other metro areas I talked about had hiders whose 1/1 caches were roadside "so what?" caches in Walmart parking lots and non-descript green spots on the side of the road. That's the difference between hiders just driving around and looking for any ol' place to hide a cache, vs. hiders actually putting a little thought into it and WALKING AWAY from a location, even if it could support a cache hide, if the location didn't have anything particularly redeeming to offer except for another "stat".

It's about keeping the quality high. One of the other posters on this thread cited the fact that many of the "good spots" are already taken. Some folks would argue that that means it's time to hide cache "just anywhere" in order to get more caches out there. That's what creates the "problem" I talked about in my article/note, that I believe metro areas like mine and like the Twin Cities need to PREVENT form happening. I would argue that that means it's time to hold off, hide fewer caches, and keep up the standards. (Maybe 2-fer's and 3-fer's in those "good spots" are the answer instead?)

-Dave R.
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