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EPMinnesota
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 Posted: Sat Mar 03, 2012 1:35 pm Post subject: Logging your own challenge cache |
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| It is considered bad form to log a find on your own traditional cache. It was discussed here a while back and concluded that it is NOT considered bad form to log an "ATTENDED" if you attend an event you hosted. Is it considered bad form to log a find if you completed a challenge that you yourself published? By challenge I don't mean the lame challenges that Groundspeak has come up with in the last year. I mean the "find a puzzle cache starting with the letter i in 10 different states" kind of cache or typically one of KB's challenge of a century caches. |
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bflentje
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| Posted: Sat Mar 03, 2012 3:38 pm Post subject: Re: Logging your own challenge cache |
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| EPMinnesota wrote: |
| It is considered bad form to log a find on your own traditional cache. It was discussed here a while back and concluded that it is NOT considered bad form to log an "ATTENDED" if you attend an event you hosted. Is it considered bad form to log a find if you completed a challenge that you yourself published? By challenge I don't mean the lame challenges that Groundspeak has come up with in the last year. I mean the "find a puzzle cache starting with the letter i in 10 different states" kind of cache or typically one of KB's challenge of a century caches. |
That's a good question. While it might be bad form, it's still allowed. I would not think poorly of anyone that did it. Unless it was an overt attempt at scoring a high star cache that is. But then I would only only roll my eyes and move on, not remembering it the next time I saw you. |
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pfalstad
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| Posted: Sat Mar 03, 2012 3:52 pm Post subject: Re: Logging your own challenge cache |
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| EPMinnesota wrote: |
| It is considered bad form to log a find on your own traditional cache. It was discussed here a while back and concluded that it is NOT considered bad form to log an "ATTENDED" if you attend an event you hosted. Is it considered bad form to log a find if you completed a challenge that you yourself published? By challenge I don't mean the lame challenges that Groundspeak has come up with in the last year. I mean the "find a puzzle cache starting with the letter i in 10 different states" kind of cache or typically one of KB's challenge of a century caches. |
I assume so, so I wouldn't do it, but I don't see why it should be considered bad form. You'd have to work just as hard as anyone else. Of course people don't like logging attended on your own event either. The argument is that you get credit for the hide, which is pretty lame.
Rather than hiding challenge caches myself, I tend to drop strong hints to KB about a challenge idea, hoping he'll hide it, so I can find it. That doesn't always work. Or maybe you could get 0 Degrees C to hide it for you... He seems to like hiding challenge caches.  |
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bflentje
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| Posted: Sat Mar 03, 2012 3:56 pm Post subject: Re: Logging your own challenge cache |
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| pfalstad wrote: |
| EPMinnesota wrote: |
| It is considered bad form to log a find on your own traditional cache. It was discussed here a while back and concluded that it is NOT considered bad form to log an "ATTENDED" if you attend an event you hosted. Is it considered bad form to log a find if you completed a challenge that you yourself published? By challenge I don't mean the lame challenges that Groundspeak has come up with in the last year. I mean the "find a puzzle cache starting with the letter i in 10 different states" kind of cache or typically one of KB's challenge of a century caches. |
I assume so, so I wouldn't do it, but I don't see why it should be considered bad form. You'd have to work just as hard as anyone else. Of course people don't like logging attended on your own event either. The argument is that you get credit for the hide, which is pretty lame.
Rather than hiding challenge caches myself, I tend to drop strong hints to KB about a challenge idea, hoping he'll hide it, so I can find it. That doesn't always work. Or maybe you could get 0 Degrees C to hide it for you... He seems to like hiding challenge caches. |
I don't mean to derail but I never knew it was "bad form" to log your own events. While logging your own caches doesn't bother me, I wouldn't do it. But I do not have the same feeling for events. If I attended, I get the Attended icon.
As for strongly suggesting to KB, I am at 50-50 in terms of him taking on a challenge idea. |
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pfalstad
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| Posted: Sat Mar 03, 2012 4:04 pm Post subject: Re: Logging your own challenge cache |
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| bflentje wrote: |
| I don't mean to derail but I never knew it was "bad form" to log your own events. While logging your own caches doesn't bother me, I wouldn't do it. But I do not have the same feeling for events. If I attended, I get the Attended icon. |
That's what EP was saying.. We discussed it, and most people said it was OK to log your own events. Although not everyone agreed. |
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bflentje
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| Posted: Sat Mar 03, 2012 4:20 pm Post subject: |
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| Log the event. Log the challenge. |
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King Boreas
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| Posted: Sat Mar 03, 2012 6:11 pm Post subject: |
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| bflentje wrote: |
| Log the event. Log the challenge. |
Awhile back, I took a look at how many of my Challenges I had completed. There were more than I'd expected, but I didn't log any. I was tempted ...
I have officially retired from listing new Challenges. I have plenty to manage as it is. Since they are expected to last forever, some receive more maintenance visits than any other cache type would receive. Archiving isn't an option. |
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King Boreas
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Some points to consider when creating a challenge cache:
Challenge caches must contain the word "Challenge" in the cache name.
It is generally considered "bad form"  to log one's own physical cache.
A challenge cache concept that severely limits the number of cachers who can achieve the challenge will likely not be published.
A challenge cache based on one or more non-accomplishments, such as DNFs, will likely not be published.
Challenge caches may not require the publication of a new cache as a logging requirement. Challenges must be achievable by those who do not own caches.
Challenge caches may not require cachers to log caches that are disabled or archived.
A challenge cache should recognize the completion of an achievement, rather than the winner of a competition. For example, a challenge based on "First to Finds" is dependent on the actions of other cachers, is a competition, and cannot be verified, so would likely not be published.
Requiring cachers to find an explicit list of caches (rather than a broader category of caches) will likely prevent the cache from being published.
Using a challenge cache to promote one's own caches will likely prevent the cache from being published.
The challenge cache must be findable without needing to email the owner, either by posting the true coordinates or by posting instructions for a puzzle or multi-cache.
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6.6. Logging My Own Cache
Can I log a find on my own cache? What about when I go back to visit?
It is considered "bad form" to log a find on your own cache, no matter when you do it. The same is true if you re-visit another traditional cache (for example to place or retrieve a travel bug). Use the "post a note" log option to record your visit in these circumstances.
In either case, you're not "finding" a cache because you already know where it is. Save the smiley face for use when you've truly discovered a hidden cache. |
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| you're not "finding" a cache because you already know where it is. |
No, but you're completing a Challenge, which allows you to log the cache. |
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bflentje
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| Posted: Sat Mar 03, 2012 7:35 pm Post subject: |
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| King Boreas wrote: |
| I have officially retired from listing new Challenges. |
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minnstars
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Where the rules aren’t defined or enforced by Groundspeak, there are many questions on how the game of geocaching should be played that not everyone will ever agree on. Some of us consider the discussions about these gray areas to be a fun part of the game, but this should never create anything more than a friendly debate.
In the case of the question behind this question I think it may have created hard feelings and damaged friendships, which wasn’t intended or necessary. 
PS – Thanks EPMN for all your work on the 366 Event and the Challenge Cache was a sweet bonus!  |
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bflentje
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| Posted: Mon Mar 05, 2012 9:47 pm Post subject: |
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| minnstars wrote: |
Where the rules aren’t defined or enforced by Groundspeak, there are many questions on how the game of geocaching should be played that not everyone will ever agree on. Some of us consider the discussions about these gray areas to be a fun part of the game, but this should never create anything more than a friendly debate.
In the case of the question behind this question I think it may have created hard feelings and damaged friendships, which wasn’t intended or necessary.
PS – Thanks EPMN for all your work on the 366 Event and the Challenge Cache was a sweet bonus! |
Are you serious that there were hard feelings and damaged friendships over something so benign as a log on a cache? And it wasn't related to me sticking my foot in my own mouth? Then it had to FTF related. |
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minnstars
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| Posted: Mon Mar 05, 2012 10:05 pm Post subject: |
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| And it wasn't related to me sticking my foot in my own mouth? |
You said it not me! ... But maybe it would be more fun if we could change the question with a slant directed toward challenge caches published by SPA's.  |
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bflentje
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| Posted: Mon Mar 05, 2012 11:23 pm Post subject: |
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| minnstars wrote: |
| bflentje wrote: |
| And it wasn't related to me sticking my foot in my own mouth? |
You said it not me! ... But maybe it would be more fun if we could change the question with a slant directed toward challenge caches published by SPA's. |
You lost me.. |
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ArcherDragoon
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| Posted: Tue Mar 06, 2012 8:07 am Post subject: |
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| bflentje wrote: |
| minnstars wrote: |
| bflentje wrote: |
| And it wasn't related to me sticking my foot in my own mouth? |
You said it not me! ... But maybe it would be more fun if we could change the question with a slant directed toward challenge caches published by SPA's. |
You lost me.. |
Yep...I am lost too...
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tonkaMN
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| Posted: Tue Mar 06, 2012 8:54 am Post subject: |
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| How about when people re-hide your cache in a different spot or put it somewhere that makes it really hard to retrieve. Is it still bad form for the cache owner to log a found then? I have never done it, but sometimes it takes a while to find my caches because they get put in different spots. |
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