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Pear Head
Past MnGCA President
Joined: 04 Apr 2004
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Location: north of Duluth
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 Posted: Tue Sep 06, 2011 6:24 pm Post subject: Blaine regulations |
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I just learned of this today:
http://www.ci.blaine.mn.us/index.cfm?id=901573
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Geocaching Guidelines in Blaine Parks
1. All caches placed in Blaine Parks must be registered, unregistered caches will be removed.
2. Caches must not be buried and be accessible from a standing position.
3. Caches must not contain items that are offensive, dangerous, or illegal.
4. Blaine Park and Recreation retains the right to remove, or have removed, a cache it feels is in an inappropriate location or is causing undue impact on the natural habitat.
5. Caches must be at least 1/2 mile apart, and 1/10 of a mile from an existing trail.
6. Caches need to be public, no member only or subscription caches.
7. Individuals will be limited to (2) caches per park and/or a total of (5) caches throughout the park system.
8. Caches are not allowed in picnic areas, play areas, and the beach.
9. Geocaching may only occur during normal park hours 5:00am - 10:00pm.
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This policy...well...is about as bad as it gets. I would hope that the board will be able to make some significant progress towards something better for all.
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minnesotabrad
Past MnGCA President
Joined: 03 Mar 2007
Posts: 1260
Location: Brooklyn Center MN
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| Not sure what brought this on. I have sent an email to the Director of Parks and Recreation to see if he would be willing to meet and discuss the policy with the MnGCA. |
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Rustynails
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5. Caches must be at least 1/2 mile apart, and 1/10 of a mile from an existing trail.
Well that eliminates most caches. A long bushwhack for the few that remain  . |
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Pear Head
Past MnGCA President
Joined: 04 Apr 2004
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Location: north of Duluth
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| Posted: Tue Sep 06, 2011 8:00 pm Post subject: |
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This appears to be pretty similar to Anoka County (which makes sense I guess), but using the 1/2 mile from Ramsey County.
Almost like they looked at different policies and picked the most restrictive parts...
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KRedEP
Geocacher
Joined: 03 Aug 2007
Posts: 712
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| Posted: Tue Sep 06, 2011 10:00 pm Post subject: Re: Blaine regulations |
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Oh my!
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and be accessible from a standing position.
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Huh? I don't understand that.
The whole thing kinda makes you feel criminal, doesn't it? I've lived through similar with my local community. It almost seems like they don't WANT people to use their parks! |
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minnesotabrad
Past MnGCA President
Joined: 03 Mar 2007
Posts: 1260
Location: Brooklyn Center MN
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| Posted: Tue Sep 06, 2011 10:11 pm Post subject: Re: Blaine regulations |
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Oh my!
| Pear Head wrote: |
and be accessible from a standing position.
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Huh? I don't understand that.
The whole thing kinda makes you feel criminal, doesn't it? I've lived through similar with my local community. It almost seems like they don't WANT people to use their parks! |
I am confused by that one as well?! Surprised they did not put a height requirement to better clarify what they mean by standing position. |
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King Boreas
Geocacher
Joined: 16 Dec 2002
Posts: 2348
Location: Exploring Minnesota
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| Posted: Wed Sep 07, 2011 2:09 am Post subject: |
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| Are their three caches 1/2 mile apart? |
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King Boreas
Geocacher
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Location: Exploring Minnesota
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| Posted: Wed Sep 07, 2011 2:20 am Post subject: |
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I'd like to see the retrieval team at some of TopGear's Evil  caches. |
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WestSideDaddy
MnGCA Board
Joined: 06 Apr 2010
Posts: 541
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| Posted: Wed Sep 07, 2011 6:06 am Post subject: Re: Blaine regulations |
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Oh my!
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and be accessible from a standing position.
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Huh? I don't understand that.
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I suppose that is a way to say no tree climbing without saying 'no tree climbing'. Us parks boards people (not from Blaine) like to pretend we can talk all pretty like lawyers  |
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Moe the Sleaze
Geocacher
Joined: 10 Jan 2003
Posts: 1130
Location: Champlin, MN
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| Posted: Wed Sep 07, 2011 9:09 am Post subject: Re: Blaine regulations |
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| WestSideDaddy wrote: |
| KRedEP wrote: |
Oh my!
| Pear Head wrote: |
and be accessible from a standing position.
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Huh? I don't understand that.
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I suppose that is a way to say no tree climbing without saying 'no tree climbing'. Us parks boards people (not from Blaine) like to pretend we can talk all pretty like lawyers |
I actually thought just the opposite; they don't want people crawling under bridges and other structures.
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bflentje
Geocacher
Joined: 29 May 2006
Posts: 3652
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| Posted: Wed Sep 07, 2011 9:23 am Post subject: Re: Blaine regulations |
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| Moe the Sleaze wrote: |
| WestSideDaddy wrote: |
| KRedEP wrote: |
Oh my!
| Pear Head wrote: |
and be accessible from a standing position.
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Huh? I don't understand that.
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I suppose that is a way to say no tree climbing without saying 'no tree climbing'. Us parks boards people (not from Blaine) like to pretend we can talk all pretty like lawyers |
I actually thought just the opposite; they don't want people crawling under bridges and other structures. |
They can make all kinds of silly requirements for hiders they want. Bottom line is, the average finder won't know crap about the policy and will still crawl under the bridge. |
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AerosmithPA
MnGCA Board
Joined: 19 Nov 2005
Posts: 519
Location: Grand Rapids
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| Posted: Wed Sep 07, 2011 11:20 am Post subject: |
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This is where I believe the McGCA (as in all members) receives and maintains it's validation, much moreso than other functions such as, recruiting new members, the social aspect which we all enjoy, etc. The membership needs to be aware of what is going on in the local level, watching the policies which are coming up for review within a locality, and lobbying board members and commissioners (if not sitting on decisionmaking boards) to educate them to make the best local policies.
I am a firm believer that the geocaching.com guidelines and review procedures are very adequate and, if followed, public policymakers could and would in most cases accept them as adequate. The policymakers need to be educated prior to coming down with poor policies, however.
Another way the McGCA membership can help greatly is by self policing when the guidelines are not followed. If poor policy does not come from lack of education, I think it comes from poor cache experience, which I bet can mostly be traced to not following the guidelines to start with. It's okay to inform cachers that their actions in some way could give the game a black eye in the community. |
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Pear Head
Past MnGCA President
Joined: 04 Apr 2004
Posts: 5594
Location: north of Duluth
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| Posted: Wed Sep 07, 2011 12:26 pm Post subject: |
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| AerosmithPA wrote: |
| This is where I believe the McGCA (as in all members) receives and maintains it's validation, much moreso than other functions such as, recruiting new members, the social aspect which we all enjoy, etc. The membership needs to be aware of what is going on in the local level, watching the policies which are coming up for review within a locality, and lobbying board members and commissioners (if not sitting on decisionmaking boards) to educate them to make the best local policies. |
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| I am a firm believer that the geocaching.com guidelines and review procedures are very adequate and, if followed, public policymakers could and would in most cases accept them as adequate. The policymakers need to be educated prior to coming down with poor policies, however. |
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| Another way the McGCA membership can help greatly is by self policing when the guidelines are not followed. If poor policy does not come from lack of education, I think it comes from poor cache experience, which I bet can mostly be traced to not following the guidelines to start with. It's okay to inform cachers that their actions in some way could give the game a black eye in the community. |
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emmanogoldfish
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Joined: 26 Oct 2007
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| Posted: Wed Sep 07, 2011 3:06 pm Post subject: Re: Blaine regulations |
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| Pear Head wrote: |
I just learned of this today:
http://www.ci.blaine.mn.us/index.cfm?id=901573
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Geocaching Guidelines in Blaine Parks
1. All caches placed in Blaine Parks must be registered, unregistered caches will be removed.
2. Caches must not be buried and be accessible from a standing position.
3. Caches must not contain items that are offensive, dangerous, or illegal.
4. Blaine Park and Recreation retains the right to remove, or have removed, a cache it feels is in an inappropriate location or is causing undue impact on the natural habitat.
5. Caches must be at least 1/2 mile apart, and 1/10 of a mile from an existing trail.
6. Caches need to be public, no member only or subscription caches.
7. Individuals will be limited to (2) caches per park and/or a total of (5) caches throughout the park system.
8. Caches are not allowed in picnic areas, play areas, and the beach.
9. Geocaching may only occur during normal park hours 5:00am - 10:00pm.
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This policy...well...is about as bad as it gets. I would hope that the board will be able to make some significant progress towards something better for all. |
Looks like a great policy. Although what is the meaning of "and 1/10 of a mile from an existing trail."? |
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minnesotabrad
Past MnGCA President
Joined: 03 Mar 2007
Posts: 1260
Location: Brooklyn Center MN
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| Posted: Wed Sep 07, 2011 8:14 pm Post subject: Re: Blaine regulations |
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| emmanogoldfish wrote: |
| Pear Head wrote: |
I just learned of this today:
http://www.ci.blaine.mn.us/index.cfm?id=901573
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Geocaching Guidelines in Blaine Parks
1. All caches placed in Blaine Parks must be registered, unregistered caches will be removed.
2. Caches must not be buried and be accessible from a standing position.
3. Caches must not contain items that are offensive, dangerous, or illegal.
4. Blaine Park and Recreation retains the right to remove, or have removed, a cache it feels is in an inappropriate location or is causing undue impact on the natural habitat.
5. Caches must be at least 1/2 mile apart, and 1/10 of a mile from an existing trail.
6. Caches need to be public, no member only or subscription caches.
7. Individuals will be limited to (2) caches per park and/or a total of (5) caches throughout the park system.
8. Caches are not allowed in picnic areas, play areas, and the beach.
9. Geocaching may only occur during normal park hours 5:00am - 10:00pm.
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This policy...well...is about as bad as it gets. I would hope that the board will be able to make some significant progress towards something better for all. |
Looks like a great policy. Although what is the meaning of "and 1/10 of a mile from an
existing trail."? |
It means you better lock your bike. |
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