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tonkaMN · MnGCA Board Joined: 10 Jun 2009 Posts: 544

So, I wanted to hide a big cooler in the woods and fill it with all the extra cache containers that have been collecting dust in my garage, but I cannot get it approved because it violates policy by encouraging others to place new caches!?! Isn't this game all about placing new caches so that we don't find them all? Besides, this is what my description said, 'If you place a cache from here please let me know so that I can add it to the bookmark list of caches that have grown from here'. Is that really encouraging others to place a cache?

Rustynails · Geocacher Joined: 27 Oct 2009 Posts: 661

Check this one out. http://coord.info/GC1HVEC

I found it and know there are others.

Captain and Mate · Geocacher Joined: 28 Nov 2010 Posts: 14

So, when did this guideline pop up? We've found a lot of caches that had containers inside (seed caches) that were to become new caches elsewhere. Also, we've got a cache whose name starts with "P.I.F.", which stands for "Pay it Forward" and it encourages finders to add to the game by placing their own caches.

Pear Head · Posted: Wed Aug 10, 2011 7:51 pm Post subject:

ArcherDragoon · Posted: Wed Aug 10, 2011 7:52 pm Post subject:

The Seed Cache Guideline has been out for a couple years now...
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My guess...and only a guess...is that you are requesting people let you know how and where they used a cache they nabbed from your cache is the problem with the description...
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ArcherDragoon · Posted: Wed Aug 10, 2011 7:53 pm Post subject:

Rustynails · Geocacher Joined: 27 Oct 2009 Posts: 661

bflentje · Geocacher Joined: 29 May 2006 Posts: 3652

I used to have a seed cache and it kind of backfired as I had it filled with micros. I was saturated with micros Wink

. But the seed cache idea being against the guidelines has been around a while, as others have said.

tonkaMN · MnGCA Board Joined: 10 Jun 2009 Posts: 544

Can anyone explain why it is bad to encourage others to place caches?

bflentje · Geocacher Joined: 29 May 2006 Posts: 3652

Wait a minute, I seed cache used to require a new cache be hidden. Are you telling me that you can't even suggest hiding a cache having provided a container? While I no longer support seed caches, even outlawing the "suggestion" of a new cache seems to cross the line. But then not sure of all the facts.

qwerty2582 · Past MnGCA Board Joined: 03 Apr 2009 Posts: 457

I had never seen or heard anything saying this is no longer allowed, so I reviewed the guidelines. Then I spent a couple minutes with Google and found this:

http://iowaadmin.blogspot.com/2011/04/seed-caches.html

Basically says the encouragement of moving a seed along constitutes an ALR. But like you said at the beginning Tonka, I'm not sure "tell me if you do" is encouragement...

Personally, I think this is taking the ALR rule a bit far (assuming ALR is the reason), but I can't fault our trusty local reviewer, since it appears to be a national thing...

tonkaMN · MnGCA Board Joined: 10 Jun 2009 Posts: 544

I even removed 'tell me if you hide a cache from here' and there is still an issue. Just stating in the cache description that there are cache containers in it and that you are free to take one seems to be a problem. I think that is a huge stretch to say that my cache has an Additional Listing Requirement just because it states that there are cache containers in there.

Here is the actual description: "I will try to keep it stocked with cache containers. If you need a container please take one. If you have extras, please drop them off for others to use. "

It is getting to the point where the rules make playing the game not that much fun. I am seriously considering never hiding another cache.

Pear Head · Posted: Thu Aug 11, 2011 7:26 am Post subject:

From http://iowaadmin.blogspot.com/2011/04/seed-caches.html

MN.Fruitcake · Minnesota Reviewer Joined: 18 Oct 2010 Posts: 34

timewellspent · Posted: Thu Aug 11, 2011 7:55 am Post subject: