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merkman
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 21, 2008 10:47 am    Post subject: Anoka County Parks True or False? Reply with quote

Currently, Anoka County is the only entity lower than the State of Minnesota that specifically bans geocaching in their parks.

Is that a fair statement?

I need to make sure this is a true and fair statement.
Any input would be appreciated.

Here is the current policy:
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ORDINANCE #2007-1
COUNTY OF ANOKA
Anoka County, Minnesota

Section 14 Geocaching
It shall be unlawful for any person to: Geocach in a park except in areas and at times designated by the Board or Director.
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Pear Head
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 21, 2008 1:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

AFAIK that is true, yes.

Saying "lower" in that context is somewhat confusing to me.

"Anoka County is the only entity at the state level or lower that bans geocaching in their parks other than portions of the Minnesota DNR."
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 21, 2008 3:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think that you are asking about an outright ban. The State has placed certain areas off limits from geocaching but they have not ban it. I think that there is a difference.

Bans are absolutes, restrictions are just that.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 21, 2008 8:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I agree, I would not characterise DNR's stance as a "ban" at all any more.

I would say all other jursidictions in the state PERMIT caching, either without restriction or with formal guidelines that preserve intended land use.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 21, 2008 8:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Arcticabn wrote:
Bans are absolutes, restrictions are just that.


Do you classifiy this as a ban or a restriction?

Quote:

ORDINANCE #2007-1
COUNTY OF ANOKA
Anoka County, Minnesota

Section 14 Geocaching
It shall be unlawful for any person to: Geocach in a park except in areas and at times designated by the Board or Director.
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Pear Head
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 21, 2008 9:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

merkman wrote:
Arcticabn wrote:
Bans are absolutes, restrictions are just that.


Do you classifiy this as a ban or a restriction?

Quote:

ORDINANCE #2007-1
COUNTY OF ANOKA
Anoka County, Minnesota

Section 14 Geocaching
It shall be unlawful for any person to: Geocach in a park except in areas and at times designated by the Board or Director.


I think I see where you're going with that - personally I'd consider it a ban. There is a small exception in there that is unlikely to ever be utilized.

Perhaps the best way to prove that it's a ban is for someone to contact the director to request placing a cache under this exception?
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 21, 2008 9:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ban, there are no published times or locations designated by the BoD.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 21, 2008 9:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Is this a fair statement?

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Anoka County is the only county in the state that bans geocaching within their parks.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 21, 2008 9:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Anoka County is the only county in the state of Minnesota that bans geocaching within their parks.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 21, 2008 9:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pear Head wrote:
Perhaps the best way to prove that it's a ban is for someone to contact the director to request placing a cache under this exception?


I just need to ask everyone to refrain from contacting the director or anyone over there until after the committee has finished their business.

All I am looking for here is some help with the semantics before things are brought up to Anoka County.

I want to make sure we are framing the issue in a manner that will get their attention and is factual.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 21, 2008 9:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Or is this more appropriate?

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Anoka County is the only county in the state of Minnesota that severely restricts geocaching within their parks.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 21, 2008 9:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

First: Thanks for your work on this. We appreciate the effort.

From what you have said, especially when you say that it's the only County park system that has banned it, I would say that to my knowledge it is 100% accurate.

I also believe that they are the *only* park system that we are aware of that has banned it outright as well. Then again, there are always life's little surprises that appear out of no where.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 21, 2008 10:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

merkman wrote:
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Anoka County is the only county in the state of Minnesota that severely restricts geocaching within their parks.

I would say that's not correct. Ramsey County also restricts, quite heavily, geocaching within their realm (.5 radius).

Then you have Carver which only allows three caches per park regardless of distance.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 21, 2008 10:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Marsha and Silent Bob wrote:
From what you have said, especially when you say that it's the only County park system that has banned it, I would say that to my knowledge it is 100% accurate.


So you see their policy as a ban also?

It is a ban (but with wiggle room) I am having a very hard time classifying this in words.

I guess what I am saying is it could be argued that it is not a ban.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 21, 2008 10:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Is this less arguable?

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Anoka County is the only county in the state of Minnesota that effectively bans geocaching within their parks.
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