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Mn State Park Geocaching History Challenge
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Bus&Betty
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Location: Blaine, MN

PostPosted: Wed Apr 02, 2008 6:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

We are meeting our representative from Interstate Park on Monday, the 7th. Will have more to report after the meeting.
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merkman
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 02, 2008 7:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

minnesotabrad wrote:
If this is the case then I may have to reconsider. I am in the area of the park I selected o a regular basis but if we are not going to be the owners of the cache listing, hopefully being able to continue the cache after the year, it will not be worth the time and fuel I may have to put in. This all really needs clarification.


If you can't work it out with your park manager, adopt it after the year is done.
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merkman
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 02, 2008 7:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

loneeagle_24 wrote:
minnesotabrad wrote:
This really has me confused. If the state is going to own the cache why would a MnGCA member need to fill out an application and permit form for placing the cache?


I have to agree here. If that's the case why are we bothering to fill out the form. It's the park that should be filling it out then. I had been thinking of this earlier but just never thought to bring that up. I was going to ask this weekend.

Personally one of the parks I contacted said that the staff wouldn't have the time to "Babysit" the cache. I guess we'll find out this weekend when I talk with them.



The way I think of this is that we are there to help.

Think of the State Park you are helping as a new cacher.
Help them in any way you can, some will ask for more help, some less.
If they don't have time to fill out the paper work... help them with that.
If they don't have time to "babysit" the cache... help them with that.

I am sure we all have the ability to adapt and make it happen.
Thanks for everyone who has volunteered!!!
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bflentje
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 02, 2008 12:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've already conceded that I probably won't be needed much by my two parks. So the way I think this should be approached...

Take initiative and work to get additional caches in your park. How many cachers are going to go to a remote SP to grab a single cache unless you're camping? Number will be very small. My goal is to get a minimum of at least two additional caches in the park.

If we can't help with the SP Challenge, at least we can work to make it worthwhile for the fuel burn.
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jambro
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Location: Lino Lakes

PostPosted: Wed Apr 02, 2008 2:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just curious, if the DNR is going to own all the caches, who is physically going to be responsible for maintaining the listings online? Each park manager? Are they going to hire some people after we show them how it's done? I count over 70 caches that someone will have to maintain listings on. Knowing how government employees work (used to be one, no offense intended here), I can't imagine anyone will just volunteer to keep these updated.
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bflentje
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 02, 2008 5:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

jambro wrote:
Just curious, if the DNR is going to own all the caches, who is physically going to be responsible for maintaining the listings online? Each park manager? Are they going to hire some people after we show them how it's done? I count over 70 caches that someone will have to maintain listings on. Knowing how government employees work (used to be one, no offense intended here), I can't imagine anyone will just volunteer to keep these updated.


DNR will be maintaining them out of St. Paul. Not sure who or how, but that is my understanding.
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beagleboo
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 02, 2008 5:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Had a great meeting with my state park ranger today. Glad to assist him in getting coords for the cache location, and filling out the paperwork. Assured him to notify me if I can be of more assistance or any help in the future. There is a great deal of history in our state parks. I hope cachers new and old will participate in the history challenge.
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EskoClimber
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Joined: 24 May 2005

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Location: Duluth area

PostPosted: Wed Apr 02, 2008 9:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've been talking to the state about the changes that have cropped up and our concerns. Here is where things are at as of today.

Arrow The state will have ownership of the cache. They want to be able to edit the cache page in case of flash floods or whatever.
THAT MEANS that the geocacher will NOT be submitting the cache page. The state, probably out of the St Paul office will be submitting the pages to gc.com. In fact, I would contact the park and see if they even need our help at all. I am not happy about this developement but they have planted their feet and will not budge on this point.
The good news is that at least the geocacher will get credit for the find. Yeah, I know I'm reaching for something. We won't say what.
Arrow The April 7 deadline has me more than a bit irratated. First they told us NOT to contact the local parks because they were too busy to talk to us and now they want us there in a week. I was on the phone yesterday with the liason at the state and what came out of that is that we should do the best we can. If that means we miss the deadline than so be it. Don't kill yourself getting out there.
The thing there is that the state wants to have enough time to review the caches for sensitive areas.
Arrow The parks don't have all the materials yet. They have the ammo cans but not the log books or "baseball cards". I any case it would require a return trip to place the cache after it gets approved by the state and gc.com.
Arrow Any cache placed in a state park is going to be a two trip unless you can talk to your park manager and mark the spot so they can place the can after it gets approved.

I want to note that I am not happy with the way things changed at the last minute. I am still positive about the program as it will get caches into the parks with their blessing and knowledge. I am also going to talk to them about letting us adopt the caches after a year. I have always thought that the parks would have the best idea of where to place a cache. With the history "baseball cards" included it is a win win goal.

I also want to say that many of the parks are enthusiastic about the program and are very willing to work with us. I talked to Jay Cooke SP for example and it looks like we'll get the chance to do a geocaching 101 there on June 14. Many of the parks are getting a dozen GPSr's or more which gives us the opportunity to use them for a program similar to what merkman set up last year.

I'm going to MOGA and when I return on Tuesday, April 8, I will have more information.
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merkman
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 02, 2008 9:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for the follow up and the communications Esko!!

Go kick some MOGA butt!!
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speedysk1
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Location: Mound MN

PostPosted: Wed Apr 02, 2008 9:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks Esko. It's unfortunate the rules changed at the last minute, but should we expect anything different from the government? Laughing
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AerosmithPA
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Joined: 19 Nov 2005

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Location: Grand Rapids

PostPosted: Wed Apr 02, 2008 9:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for all of your work on this project Esko. Your frustrations are understood and you are supported by MnGCA members. Someday this project will be a real boon for the state parks and our little hobby.
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Red_Devil35
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Joined: 26 Apr 2006

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Location: Practically South Dakota!

PostPosted: Thu Apr 03, 2008 7:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

AerosmithPA wrote:
Thanks for all of your work on this project Esko. Your frustrations are understood and you are supported by MnGCA members. Someday this project will be a real boon for the state parks and our little hobby.


I agree, Esko put a lot of work and time into this project. It may not be exactly what we had hoped for, but we are finally getting caching into the state parks.
So, many thanks to Esko, the current board, and the previous board members who started the dialogue with the parks years ago.
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jambro
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Location: Lino Lakes

PostPosted: Thu Apr 03, 2008 8:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Esko, you've done some great work getting this project moving. Kudos! It is very frustrating that the geniuses in our state government are changing the rules as they go - hope they have a plan for keeping these caches up to date. We're heading to Lake Maria SP today, staying the night (in a cabin, still too cold for me to be camping outdoors, I'm a wuss as I get older) and scouting for cache locations. I'm meeting with the ranger tomorrow, so I'm assuming now that he knows how to deal with the paperwork we generate. Whatever trips their trigger!
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ArcherDragoon
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Joined: 02 Nov 2007

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Location: Southeastern Minnesota

PostPosted: Thu Apr 03, 2008 12:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

My contact out of Whitewater gave me all of the details the state sent him...

As far as it goes...it is a good idea...but I don't think the MNDNR had an idea of what this would involve. Great work by Esko to work with this...the problems and concerns most all of us have come to have to do with the upper-level people in the MNDNR...I am just glad I already had a good working agrrement with the State Park Staff in my area...they basically said..."Go to it!!!"

Even though the park is still offically closed due to the flood in August and the repairs...they gave me free run of the park and said come up with something you feel will work given our "construction status..."
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DLGPS
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Joined: 10 Apr 2007

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 03, 2008 1:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

We just ran across this thread this past weekend and were excited to learn about the geocaching challenge in the Minnesota State Parks. We have long been big fans and supporters of the parks. We have visited/camped in all the parks and hiked all the hiking trails. Can't wait to go back and geocache in all of them now! We currently have three geocaches in Nerstrand Big Woods and enjoy hearing from the geocachers that have found them.

Looks like all the parks in the southeast area of the state are covered but if anyone needs any help we would be glad to lend a hand.

Today's mail brought the 2008 Minnesota State Park Brochure and the back cover highlights the geocaching challenge.
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