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Eden Prairie Caching policy (complete!)
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Pear Head
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 04, 2007 11:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pear Head wrote:
B. My intention is to work with dornole and any other EP resident that is interested (plus probably others who want to show support) in getting caching back in.

Stay tuned.


dornole is working with the board as a resident of EP to get caching placed back in EP parks.

If you would like to get involved I would appreciate it if you would coordinate with her or myself so that we don't step on each other's toes.

Thanks.
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dornole
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 04, 2007 1:09 pm    Post subject: EP Parks Reply with quote

OK, I also talked to Stu this morning. The city forester found a cache nailed to a tree, that's what started this whole thing. They have concerns about tree-nailing and protecting their conservation areas in general, which are spectacular. That said, they seem very open to public discussion, and I don't believe they are anti-caching or out to get anybody. Basically they had no caching policy before and now they want to have one which is their right. Those of us who are citizens of EP can help shape that policy.

We're on the agenda for the Monday, May 7th Parks Commission meeting at EP City Center at which I (and anyone else who is interested) can educate Commission members about what geocaching is and let them ask questions. (I'll use a bunch of MNGCA's stuff, powerpoints and background material--and consult with them throughout). It's a public meeting so anyone can attend (or watch on TV Channel 16). Usually but not always, there can be an opportunity for EP residents to make a brief statement personally. Letters are also a great way to weigh in.

If you have an an interest in Eden Prairie geocaching, I would love to hear from you. Right now I could really use letters of support for geocaching--what it means to you, why you do it, your experiences with geocaching in EP, and your hope that it can be permitted. Letters from residents (with your street address) are golden but if you have done hides, work in EP or have done a lot of caching in EP that's worth something too. I can take the responses and include them in the Commission packet/background info they get prior to the meeting (need stuff by April 25).

The other item is EP caches. Surfer Joe won't be approving new caches for EP. Re current caches, I don't think the City will be emailing everyone a notice like they did to Rickrich but they clearly want to freeze caching activity while they talk about a policy. I've disabled all my EP caches and will remove and archive them in the next couple of weeks, and I encourage other owners to do the same. (Yeah, I cried, I'm over it). Should caching be approved, archived caches CAN be resurrected by Surfer Joe, or we can enjoy placing new hides. For now the party's over and it will take 2-3 months at least to see where we land.

I will keep everybody posted--please contact me or Pear Head if you want to help out.

Thanks--

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GeoPierce
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 04, 2007 1:19 pm    Post subject: Re: EP Parks Reply with quote

dornole wrote:
We're on the agenda for the Monday, May 7th Parks Commission meeting at EP City Center at which I (and anyone else who is interested) can educate Commission members about what geocaching is and let them ask questions. (I'll use a bunch of MNGCA's stuff, powerpoints and background material--and consult with them throughout). It's a public meeting so anyone can attend (or watch on TV Channel 16). Usually but not always, there can be an opportunity for EP residents to make a brief statement personally. Letters are also a great way to weigh in.

What time is the meeting?
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 04, 2007 1:48 pm    Post subject: Re: EP Parks Reply with quote

dornole wrote:
For now the party's over and it will take 2-3 months at least to see where we land.

dornole,

First off, thank you so much for taking on this project! It's awesome that we have amassed individuals in our membership that are willing to work with the MnGCA and the local park districts to get proper policies in place when necessary.

Second, I think that the time frame that you're facing is a good one. It does take a few months to work with the parks to get their side and to attempt to get our side across to them. I have worked with plenty of park managers and have found them generally uneducated or misunderstanding of geocaching in general (my favorite is the quote, "we found a geocache that was buried and full of pornographic material!" and when I replied that I had found well over 2000 caches at that point and never once found one that was anything of the sort I was dismissed with a virtual wave of the hand and a snort).

By taking the information that the MnGCA Board has compiled over the last few years and tailoring it to fit the needs of the Eden Prairie officials, you will be able to spend more time working to create a loose and open geocaching policy rather than something tied down and tight like some districts prefer. Stressing that by following park rules and pre-existing ordinances you may come to a point where they see registration is unnecessary work for all parties involved and that they really don't want to spend the time going that route (especially when individuals like rickrich are willing to hide 50+ caches in their parks).

Good luck and thanks again for working for the MnGCA members and all cachers statewide that want to share those gorgeous Eden Prairie parks with its residents.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 04, 2007 2:07 pm    Post subject: Meeting time Reply with quote

Sorry, it's at 7 p.m. in the City Council chamber. If you plan to attend let me know so I'm not surprised. : ) Usually meetings last 2-3 hours. There may be a time for open public comment prior to the meeting too, I'll have to check on that.

If this goes the way I think it will they will revisit the issue at one or two more meetings (first Mondays at 7 pm in June and July) and then it would also come before the City Council for final approval if there are any changes to the ordinance or financial impacts. I'll let everyone know those dates.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 04, 2007 2:14 pm    Post subject: Re: Meeting time Reply with quote

dornole wrote:
Sorry, it's at 7 p.m. in the City Council chamber. If you plan to attend let me know so I'm not surprised. : )

I'll be there and write a letter of support also.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 04, 2007 3:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I can not make it to the meeting but I would like to write a letter as I work in Eden Prairie and I frequently go out at lunch for some geocaching. Does anyone have any examples or suggestions about wording for the letter.

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 04, 2007 4:10 pm    Post subject: Ideas for letter Reply with quote

I don't want to do a template or they will all sound too much the same. I would suggest the following outline:

--Who I am and my address (ESPECIALLY if an EP resident--if resident you can also say how long you've lived here)
--My relationship with caching in EP (I live here, work here, have hides, enjoy looking here)
--How long I've been caching, who I cache with, when, why, why it's rewarding for me
--Share an EP caching experience, if you have memorable one
--Why I support caching in EP Parks
--Thanks & I look forward to being part of this discussion.

Just keep it personal and explain how important this is to you. You want to show how a really nice guy/gal (yourself) is being negatively impacted by this ban.

If anybody is worried about it I am happy to edit what you write, I am a professional writer and editor.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 04, 2007 4:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Quote:
--Who I am and my address (ESPECIALLY if an EP resident--if resident you can also say how long you've lived here)
--My relationship with caching in EP (I live here, work here, have hides, enjoy looking here)
--How long I've been caching, who I cache with, when, why, why it's rewarding for me
--Share an EP caching experience, if you have memorable one
--Why I support caching in EP Parks
--Thanks & I look forward to being part of this discussion.


Wouldn't hurt to mention any CITO done in the area, I would think, huh?
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 04, 2007 4:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

dachebo wrote:
Quote:
--Who I am and my address (ESPECIALLY if an EP resident--if resident you can also say how long you've lived here)
--My relationship with caching in EP (I live here, work here, have hides, enjoy looking here)
--How long I've been caching, who I cache with, when, why, why it's rewarding for me
--Share an EP caching experience, if you have memorable one
--Why I support caching in EP Parks
--Thanks & I look forward to being part of this discussion.


Wouldn't hurt to mention any CITO done in the area, I would think, huh?


Or Weeknight Caching?
Not sure if you want to bring that up or not.
Since it could be considered an organized event.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 04, 2007 4:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

merkman wrote:
Or Weeknight Caching?
Not sure if you want to bring that up or not.
Since it could be considered an organized event.


It's no more organized than you calling up a couple of buddies to go hiking or fishing in one of the parks. Geocaching, with regards to being organized, is no different IMHO than anything else people do in parks.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 04, 2007 6:08 pm    Post subject: EP Caches Reply with quote

I have been in contact with dornole and as a resident of EP I am more than happy to help. Our family both lives and works in EP and average a cache a week. This may not be as many caches as a lot of you get to but as a family and especially me as an individual whose job isn't really active, I enjoy a cache on my way home after work since I get off before the kids do. Now that spring has hit and I have a new gps I'm sure that would pick up. I'd be interested to know how many EP caches are currently located in EP parks.
I agree that the educational/informative approach is best way to win friends and influence people. Smile I think CITO is a good point to make without trying to sound too goody two shoes.
I have disabled the park cache we have had for a year and am hoping I will be able to enable it again in the future. I have scouted parks and had at least one planned for a park that currently doesn't have oen. I'm bummed. Fortunately, we recently a opened new geocoin exchange bank located on private property to console me.
I will be happy to write a letter as well as attend the meeting on May 7th. Unfortunately, I don't have any "connections". My dd had Mr. Case for a teacher 2 years ago but I don't think that's going to get me very far! Laughing
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 04, 2007 7:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nuts, scouted out Eden Valley Park for a hide on 4/1. Was hoping to turn loose a cache this weekend, and then go for a puzzle cache out there. Guess I will put that one on hold until this issue settles down. Not sure about making the city meeting but will try. Not an EP resident but seem to be down that way often. Good luck on this one.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 04, 2007 9:08 pm    Post subject: Me too Reply with quote

I know how you feel, I had a GREAT hide planned too! It is too cruel that this is happening in the spring hide season.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 05, 2007 3:09 am    Post subject: Hold off on PR for now Reply with quote

Just a note about letters to the editor, articles in the paper, all out media blitzes dropping leaflets from helicopters, etc. because some people have asked:

1) Singling out EP as a cache banner would NOT help at this time BECAUSE:
--We are going through a fair and open public process and they are willing to listen to us.
--It might attract attention of other cities to the ban which could encourage them to follow suit and open a huge can of worms for everybody.

I don't want to jump ugly on anyone without cause--they just want to learn more about this and in the meantime they want everything frozen which is reasonable. Got to give them a chance to agree with us first.

Thanks for asking!!
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