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team-deadhead
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 13, 2005 5:43 pm    Post subject: Virtual and locationless caches Reply with quote

Is GC.com allowing virtual and locationless caches or are they still blocking these?
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Marsha and Silent Bob
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 13, 2005 6:12 pm    Post subject: Re: Virtual and locationless caches Reply with quote

team-deadhead wrote:
Is GC.com allowing virtual and locationless caches or are they still blocking these?

Virtuals are permitted in National Parks and various locations that physical caches are not permitted (State Parks in MN). Earthcaches are a specific type of virtual that are allowed but they require quite a bit of research and work before they can be approved.

Locationless caches are not permitted under any circumstances currently. Supposedly Jod is working on a seperate section of the site (like benchmarks are) that will support locationless caching.
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Wayfarin Stranger
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 13, 2005 6:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here is a reply I received from CG.com last month when I stated I may not renew my membership in June due to locationless and other issues I have. It remains to be seen what they will do.

Your assumption that we are not interested in solving the locationless
problem is incorrect. We are currently working on a solution and should be prepared to release a new system for handling locationless and virtual
caches within a short time (certainly before you upgrade in June). The
reason we have not approved any new locationless caches since 2003 is
because the site was not capable of handling caches that consistently
receive thousands of logs per cache page. Please be patient and check the forums for updates. I'm sure you'll be pleasantly surprised.

Please let me know if you have any further questions or concerns.

Happy Geocaching!

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Marsha and Silent Bob
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 13, 2005 6:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have moved this to the proper area of the forum.
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sui generis
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 13, 2005 7:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Virtuals are permitted in National Parks and various locations that physical caches are not permitted (State Parks in MN).


This isn't even really accurate anymore. Virtual I submitted for a State Parks was denied. The reason given was some subjective scenic wow factor needs to be met. I was told to turn it into a leg of a multi that would have an actual physical cache somewhere. (In otherwords, require a person to travel miles out of the State Park after a significant hike to get to the virtual location.)
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King Boreas
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 26, 2005 12:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Locationless caches have been "stripped" from the stats list:

http://www.geocaching.com/seek/cache_details.aspx?guid=d17f8909-cd1d-497b-8258-eb3b0b96c06a

http://www.geocaching.com/seek/log.aspx?LUID=7f3c7226-771f-4d82-9544-4e63a4259c50

http://www.geocaching.com/seek/nearest.aspx?ul=King+Boreas

I found this one for #100 on 2/27/03

It gets credited in my number "found" but does not show up as a listing.

mucluck recently did her 1st locationless (Boy Scout Camp Gateways) for #300. Her log is on the page, but not on her "found" list.

Once again, Jeremy's site sucks.
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KC0GRN
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 26, 2005 1:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

still shows up for me... maybe it was a glitch?

AFAIK Jeremy had said before waymarking.com came up that he wasn't going to change the locationless and virtuals as they stand now, but I was under the impression that the locationless caches would all be getting archived.
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Marsha and Silent Bob
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 26, 2005 5:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

CCCooperAgency (IIRC) has all the locationless "found" and owns some. The icons are still in her stats although all her owned locationless caches are archived (as KC0GRN said):

http://www.geocaching.com/profile/Default.aspx?guid=76eac285-2e1f-4d0a-ad22-70ccf5276e0e

Must have been temporary.
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King Boreas
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 26, 2005 5:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

http://www.geocaching.com/seek/nearest.aspx?ul=mucluck

Do you see the Scout Camp listed?
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Marsha and Silent Bob
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 26, 2005 6:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Traditional Caches* 205

Multi-caches* 23

Virtual Caches* 10

Letterbox Hybrids* 1

Event Caches* 45

Unknown (Mystery) Caches* 12

Webcam Caches* 1

Locationless (Reverse) Caches* 1

Cache In Trash Out Events* 2

Earthcaches* 2

Travel Bug Dog Tags 18

USA Geocoins 4

German Geocoins 1

2005 White Jeep Travel Bugs 1


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*Total Caches Found 302

Adds up fine. So you're saying he deleted all the logs too?
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King Boreas
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 26, 2005 6:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

never mind, I guess I can't explain it. It was just my middle of the night rant.
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PassingWind
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 26, 2005 10:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

All Locationless and Virtuals can not longer be created and they are all eventually going to get movved over the Waymarking.com.

This was on the waypoint page:

What happens to all the old locationless caches?

If you are a Premium Member and own a locationless geocache, we invite you to create a category on Waymarking.com. Once you have created your category we ask that you archive the geocaching.com listing to avoid confusion. Should you decide not to create a new category, your locationless cache listing will be grandfathered and remain as it is until you decide to archive it. No future locationless caches will be listed on the geocaching.com website.

What about virtual caches?

No new virtual geocaches will be listed on Geocaching.com, but if there is a suitable category for submitting your location on waymarking.com, please feel free to submit a new waymark. If you are a Premium Member and no category exists, you can create a new category for posting your waymark.
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King Boreas
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 26, 2005 10:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Quote:

they are all eventually going to get movved over the Waymarking.com.


Quote:

your locationless cache listing will be grandfathered and remain as it is until you decide to archive it
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King Boreas
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 26, 2005 10:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

So I assume that some will not be "moved"

Regardless, it was a cache when it was found, it should be listed.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 26, 2005 10:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm guessing Wayfarin Stranger isn't too happy about this...

Me, I haven't gone after a locationless in a long while, but I still feel I worked to get the ones I got, and it'd suck if they took them out of the find count. I suppose if they did though, I'd just augment my finds with some park and grabs and just backdate them to correct the problem.
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