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MNMizzou
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 10, 2005 2:49 pm    Post subject: Effective Pocket Querries... Reply with quote

Hello,

Here's a question for premium members of gc... what do you think is the most effective way to run a pocket querry or series of them? Do you think running 4 different zip codes on way opposite sides of the metro is the best? Or running ones that only find recent caches? I kind of go about it in a complex manner, but I use a combination of GSAK and Microsoft Streets and Trips to plot out where caches are. With S&T I can change the little pins as I find caches or don't find them so at a glance I know what I've found and what I haven't. After some trial and error I've found a way to update the S&T map with only the new caches, however running 4 different querries means 4 times I have to repeat the process. Anyone run "time based" querries, and how would you recommend setting them up. And am I even spellign querries right? Thanks!
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Marsha and Silent Bob
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 10, 2005 3:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Queries.
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Pear Head
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 10, 2005 3:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

There is a thread that talks about PQs somewhere here......

Arrow thread

Why would you need 4 PQs to cover the metro? 5 PQs cover every active cache in the state! I would think you would be able to trim the metro down to about 2 PQs, possibly 3 (depending on what you call the metro).

I do my PQs based on the date the cache was hidden, taking the entire state in different chunks of time.


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rickrich
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 10, 2005 3:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here is my crontab:
Code:
40      1       *       *       1,3,5   $HOME/bin/geo-demand -n500 -T'11/05/2000-07/25/2003' -Nmn-0 mn
40      1       *       *       0,2,4,6 $HOME/bin/geo-demand -n500 -T'07/26/2003-04/22/2004' -Nmn-1 mn
43      1       *       *       *       $HOME/bin/geo-demand -n500 -T'04/23/2004-10/01/2004' -Nmn-2 mn
46      1       *       *       *       $HOME/bin/geo-demand -n500 -T'10/02/2004-04/09/2005' -Nmn-3 mn
49      1       *       *       *       $HOME/bin/geo-demand -n500 -T'04/10/2005-' -Nmn-4 mn
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rickrich
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 10, 2005 3:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here is a current set of PQs:
Code:
geo-demand -n500 -T'11/05/2000-08/01/2003' -Nmn-0 mn    #499 caches
geo-demand -n500 -T'08/02/2003-04/27/2004' -Nmn-1 mn    #499 caches
geo-demand -n500 -T'04/28/2004-10/16/2004' -Nmn-2 mn    #497 caches
geo-demand -n500 -T'10/17/2004-04/17/2005' -Nmn-3 mn    #497 caches
geo-demand -n500 -T'04/18/2005-' -Nmn-4 mn              #223 caches
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MNMizzou
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 07, 2005 3:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just a follow up question to Rickrich's setup... I followed the last one posted. How much "maintenance" do you have to do to your PQ's to maintain them under the 500 limit? And do you run the "old" ones every week or just once and then you're done with it?

Thanks!
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rickrich
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 07, 2005 3:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

No need to maintain it. Maybe once a quarter if you want to tweak it. However, you must pay attention to 500 in the most recent PQ.

Always use fresh PQs, even for old caches. I run mine once per night except oldest which get polled every other night.
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Pear Head
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 07, 2005 5:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

My PQs are similar to rickrich's, although I get them the conventional way (by email). I pull the MN PQs twice a week (there are now 5 of them), and I also pull a PQ of my caches twice a week and a PQ of caches within 125 miles of home twice a week.

Then there are also two PQs for WI and two for OK that I pull twice a week.

Processing them once I get them is still an interesting process. It requires me downloading them on a high-speed connection (I'm on slow dial-up at home), saving them to disk, and then importing them onto the computer at home. I just haven't gotten around to streamlining the process a little more...
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5savages
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 02, 2005 4:50 pm    Post subject: Whole States Reply with quote

It would sure be nice to pull the entire state down with one PQ. We recently drove to Oregon and it took some time to pull down the caches for all the states we went through...ND, MT, ID, WA, OR, & CA. Since it was a family trip and our youngest cacher is just 3 years old, I limited it to difficulty & terrain of 2.5 or less and that helped some. Of course, ND was no problem.

Since the GS servers have to do the same amount of crunching either way, I wonder why there's a 500 cache limit. What would be really sweet is to be able to download one file, via ftp, for an entire state. I use GSAK for filter and love hte different ways to carve out a section. For the trip out and back I filtered using the arc method and for the areas we hung out in, WA, OR, & CA, I used either a radius around a point or the polygon.
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IBcrashen
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 02, 2005 5:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You mean people get PQ`s. I am getting tired of them not showing up until the next day when they are useless to me. Evil or Very Mad I am being punished for having a low number one, #301. I have tried not running it until I need it but that doesnt work. So instead I have to make a new one up everytime I NEED IT NOW and cut in front of everyone else who in turn have to make a new up to get it in time and cut in front of everyone else etc, etc. Never ending circle that makes no sense.
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Marsha and Silent Bob
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 02, 2005 5:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If Jod offered PQs for entire states it would be entirely too easy to take all cache data and he wouldn't be able to have a monopoly on it. He will never allow more than 500 caches for exactly that reason.

As far as running PQs. I never have one sent to me weekly as it just doesn't make sense for me. I only cache in specific areas on specific days. I have a feeling there are plenty of others like me. Just run them when you need them.
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tbonetpr
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 15, 2005 7:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

rickrich wrote:
Here is my crontab:
Code:
40      1       *       *       1,3,5   $HOME/bin/geo-demand -n500 -T'11/05/2000-07/25/2003' -Nmn-0 mn
40      1       *       *       0,2,4,6 $HOME/bin/geo-demand -n500 -T'07/26/2003-04/22/2004' -Nmn-1 mn
43      1       *       *       *       $HOME/bin/geo-demand -n500 -T'04/23/2004-10/01/2004' -Nmn-2 mn
46      1       *       *       *       $HOME/bin/geo-demand -n500 -T'10/02/2004-04/09/2005' -Nmn-3 mn
49      1       *       *       *       $HOME/bin/geo-demand -n500 -T'04/10/2005-' -Nmn-4 mn


Hey RickRich, I've been using geo-demand for a month or so now. Great tool. Thanks for posting your crontab. This is perfect for getting all of MN in one shot!
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rickrich
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 15, 2005 8:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here is my crontab of october 4, 2005:
Code:
40      1       *       *       1,3,5   $HOME/bin/geo-demand -n500 -T'11/05/2000-09/29/2003' -Nmn-0 mn
40      1       *       *       0,2,4,6 $HOME/bin/geo-demand -n500 -T'10/01/2003-07/04/2004' -Nmn-1 mn
43      1       *       *       *       $HOME/bin/geo-demand -n500 -T'07/05/2004-03/02/2005' -Nmn-2 mn
46      1       *       *       *       $HOME/bin/geo-demand -n500 -T'03/04/2005-07/05/2005' -Nmn-3 mn
49      1       *       *       *       $HOME/bin/geo-demand -n500 -T'07/06/2005-' -Nmn-4 mn              #450 caches

Takes two days, tho.
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tbonetpr
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 15, 2005 9:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks! I was going to start tweaking the dates tomorrow. I noticed with what I had I didn't get all the newest caches.
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rickrich
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 15, 2005 10:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Use geo-pqs to tune it up:

Code:
$ geo-pqs mn
geo-demand -n500 -T'11/05/2000-10/03/2003' -Nmn-0 mn    #496 caches
geo-demand -n500 -T'10/04/2003-07/06/2004' -Nmn-1 mn    #499 caches
geo-demand -n500 -T'07/07/2004-03/04/2005' -Nmn-2 mn    #496 caches
geo-demand -n500 -T'03/05/2005-07/07/2005' -Nmn-3 mn    #500 caches
geo-demand -n500 -T'07/08/2005-' -Nmn-4 mn              #469 caches
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