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City of St. Paul Geocache Policy
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Bunganator
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 26, 2010 12:23 pm    Post subject: City of St. Paul Geocache Policy Reply with quote

I just recieved the following email regarding geocaching in St. Paul Parks:

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DEPARTMENT OF PARKS AND RECREATION OPERATIONS

March 2010

Dear Geocache Owner,

The City of Saint Paul Department of Parks and Recreation recognizes that geocaching provides residents and visitors with a great opportunity to explore Saint Paul’s vibrant and diverse park system. Our mission, “to help make Saint Paul the most livable city in America [by] facilitating the creation of active lifestyles, vibrant places, and a vital environment,” is best fulfilled with the support of active community members like yourself. We thank you for the work that you have done to support geocaching within Saint Paul parks by placing and maintaining geocaches
here.

In order to better track and promote the hiding and seeking of geocaches, the Department of Parks and Recreation has recently instituted a new policy for geocaches placed on City of Saint Paul parkland. The guidelines within this policy will probably already be familiar to you, as they are based off of best practices established by Groundspeak, Ramsey County Parks and Recreation, and the Minnesota
Department of Natural Resources. However, in addition to these standard practices, Saint Paul Parks and Recreation has also identified a few sensitive natural areas and other locations where geocaches will not be allowed.

As the owner of one or more geocaches on Saint Paul parkland, we are requesting that you review the attached geocaching policy and register any caches that you own at http://www.stpaul.gov/forms.aspx?fid=98 . If any of your caches are located within off-limits areas, you will be notified and asked to remove or relocate them.

If you have any questions, please don’t hesitate to contact us at
environment@stpaul.gov.

Again, thank you for your time and efforts to make Saint Paul parkland a geocaching destination.

Sincerely,

Meghan Manhatton

Natural Resource Technician
City of Saint Paul
Department of Parks and Recreation
meghan.manhatton@ci.stpaul.mn.us
(631) 632-2459



I have only skimmed the POLICY but I figured the rest of the organization might take at least some interest in looking at it more closely.

There is an online REGISTRATION for caches in St. Paul.
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BananaForce
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 26, 2010 12:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I also go one of these emails.

The policy states:

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The container must be marked with the following information: the text “Geocache”, and the
name of the cache as it appears on the associated website.


I wonder if that has to be on the outside, or if it can be on the inside? Putting all that text on the outside will mess up the camo of some hides.
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Bunganator
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 26, 2010 12:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

BananaForce wrote:
I also go one of these emails.

The policy states:

Quote:
The container must be marked with the following information: the text “Geocache”, and the
name of the cache as it appears on the associated website.


I wonder if that has to be on the outside, or if it can be on the inside? Putting all that text on the outside will mess up the camo of some hides.


I don't even know a good way to mark the outside. Many attempts I have seen rub off or fade.

I plan on heading out this weekend to do a maintenance run on all of my caches and decide which I want to take the time to upgrade and which I will just pull.

I am also curious about a few that I have that may not concern the City Parks Dept. Namely any caches along the median of Summit Ave which I'm not sure is technically a park. I also have my cache at St. Thomas that is not on park property. Others, like the ones down by the river, will need to be registered.

The other thing that caught me didn't concern me, but may concern KB. The registration page only has room for 5 caches and it will certainly be a pain for the parks to catch up on registration for several hundred caches. There is also the stipulation about not allowing subscriber only caches.
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NYSandy23
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 26, 2010 3:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Did anyone know they were even working on a policy?
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speedysk1
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 26, 2010 11:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bunganator wrote:
The other thing that caught me didn't concern me, but may concern KB. The registration page only has room for 5 caches and it will certainly be a pain for the parks to catch up on registration for several hundred caches.


If you need to register more than five caches, email the coordinates of the additional caches to environment@stpaul.gov.

Bunganator wrote:
There is also the stipulation about not allowing subscriber only caches.


This is becoming more of an issue with public property. There is a thought that you shouldn't be forced to pay to use the public space. There's pros and cons to this logic, but that's the answer I was given with the parks I worked with. That was why I noted that not all parks are adding this, instead, they are just monitoring it to be sure it doesn't become a problem.
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King Boreas
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 27, 2010 1:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

This was a fun, exhausting day until I got home, and read this crap.

I completed 4 or 5 Challenges today, maybe more.

I am so pissed off at Ashley and Meghan and whoever else concocted this POS. I'm 99% certain the 6th annual Earth Day Event, being held in a Saint Paul Park will be canceled.
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King Boreas
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 27, 2010 7:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

NYSandy23 wrote:
Did anyone know they were even working on a policy?


yeah, sorta
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Pear Head
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 27, 2010 8:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

King Boreas wrote:
NYSandy23 wrote:
Did anyone know they were even working on a policy?


yeah, sorta


Was the MnGCA board aware this was in the works?
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fireman121
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 27, 2010 6:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I just clicked on this link and it dosen't work, I wonder if it is part of the streets department.
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Pear Head
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 27, 2010 6:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

fireman121 wrote:
I just clicked on this link and it dosen't work, I wonder if it is part of the streets department.


Which link are you referring to?

Both of Bunganator's links in the original post work for me.
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King Boreas
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 27, 2010 8:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

In the quote, the period (.) is included as part of the link. It's a bad url, so it redirects to http://www.stpaul.gov/index.aspx?nid=-404&badlink=%2Fforms.aspx%3Ffid%3D98.
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Pear Head
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 28, 2010 7:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

King Boreas wrote:
In the quote, the period (.) is included as part of the link. It's a bad url, so it redirects to http://www.stpaul.gov/index.aspx?nid=-404&badlink=%2Fforms.aspx%3Ffid%3D98.


Thanks. I added a space before the period to separate them.
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Moe the Sleaze
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 29, 2010 10:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I bet this makes Surfer Joe's day too.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 29, 2010 7:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Moe the Sleaze wrote:
I bet this makes Surfer Joe's day too.


I hope Groundspeak doubles his pay!!!
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 29, 2010 8:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pear Head wrote:
King Boreas wrote:
NYSandy23 wrote:
Did anyone know they were even working on a policy?


yeah, sorta


Was the MnGCA board aware this was in the works?


Seriously, no answer?
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